in the course of the last decade, jsoc, joint operations command, the seals delta force and so forth, headed by, for many years, by somebody who is now a yale professor, stan mcchrystal, has become a finely honed killing and capturing machine. we don't do heaven capture because we don't have a legal frame work for holding terrorists, but the cia got in that business, helped along by regime petraeus when he was its director, and, together, those two organizations, jsoc and the cia, have been very, very good at killing or capturing a large number of leaders of al-qaeda and various other allied organizations. that's -- i'm all in favor of that. i'm not against those raids. i'm not gons drone strikes, but i think it's necessary, and i also believe it's insufficient, and the analogy i draw is to the kind of the campaigns we have waged in iraq and afghanistan, and in iraq, we did an excellent job of going after individual bad guys from, really, from the start of the war up until the end. there were notable successes like capturing hussein, and so forth, joint special operations command beca